As every writer of short crime fiction knows, the fabled Alfred Hitchcock's Mystery Magazine, matched only by its sister publication Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine as a market, is notorious for the interminable amount of time between submission and response. The reason is simple: editor Linda Landrigan reads every one of the immense number of short stories submitted herself, and, as I've heard from her own lips, admits to being "a slow reader." No matter how many times I and other experienced writers share this explanation with the short story community, it's so unfathomable to some that they keep trying to figure out a system, like gamblers who don't believe in the laws of probability.
Does she read writers she knows first?
Will I get penalized if I send too many stories?
It's been a year, and I haven't heard. Does that mean it's more likely to be an acceptance than a rejection?
None of the above. My most recent wait for an acceptance was from submission on February 18, 2021 to March 25, 2022 (400 days). The story was published in September/ October 2023. My most recent wait for a rejection was from August 13, 2022 to November 14, 2023 (458 days). The latter more lengthy wait time matched the experience of other writers for both acceptances and rejections of 2022 submissions.
Publication in AHMM (and EQMM) can be the crowning glory of a short mystery fiction author's career and/or a stepping stone to awards and other kinds of recognition. It certainly bestows great credibility and respect with on the writer with peers and readers. If the only reason you write mystery short stories is that you're too impatient to write mystery novels, something's wrong. Writing is not a quick fix. Not even for a poet. Not for a writer of flash. Not even drabbles. Or haiku. If you're a writer, one way or another, you're in it for the long haul.
My relationship with AHMM is not the story of my longest waits. If you want to count my writer's journey as a whole, I first said I wanted to be a writer at age seven and didn't publish my first novel till my sixty-fourth birthday. Death Will Get You Sober took three years to sell. I joined Mystery Writers of America hoping to make connections, queried 250 agents, and had an agent for a year who wanted to change the title and failed to sell the book. A friend, trying to be helpful, gave the manuscript to his editor at St Martin's—-a non-fiction editor. It sat on the guy's desk for two and a half years. The third time I attended MWA's annual Agents and Editors party (a useful, beloved, and now vanished Edgars Week institution), I had finally overcome enough shyness to approach a St. Martin's editor and say, "May I tell you my sad story?"
A week later, Death Will Get You Sober reached the hands of a mystery editor who loved the book but wanted me to rewrite it, turning my second first person protagonist into a sidekick. Three weeks later I emailed him to say, "You were right. I did it. You'll love it."
He wrote back, "I'm so sorry. I'm leaving publishing to go to law school." Before he left, he gave the ms to legendary mystery editor Ruth Cavin, then pushing ninety, and two years later, it was published.
As an example of a wait I didn't wait for but the publisher seemed to believe I would, here's a story about my second poetry book, Gifts and Secrets, published by New Rivers, a respected small press, in 1999. We still sent paper manuscripts with an SASE (stamped self-addressed envelope) in those days. Three years after the book was published, I got a scribbled postcard from another press I'd sent it to, rejecting it and suggesting that I change the title. The editor proposed various random lines from my poems, missing the point that the theme of "gifts and secrets" held them all together. He'd probably steamed the stamp off my SASE and used it to pay his phone bill.
I turned eighty this year, so I have a right to say I'm in it for the long haul, whether "it" is writing or life in general. I had a conversation with book blogger Aubrey Hamilton not too long ago about poet Rupert Brooke, whose reputation is becoming tarnished as his letters, long suppressed, get published. We talked about how Brooke, who died at 28, and the other World War I poets and the Romantic poets, like Keats, dead at 24, never got to write the poems they might have if they'd attained maturity. I'd say the same of Sylvia Plath, who killed herself at 31, and even Anne Sexton, who did the same at 46.
Women poets like these influenced my own work as the earlier male poets did not. But I write very different poems now from the poems I wrote at forty or fifty. I’ve just completed and begun submitting my first poetry book in twenty-five years. The title: The Old Lady Shows Her Mettle. For fiction writers too, life experience adds depth and breadth to what we have to say and gives us the patience and self-control to take our time.
22 July 2024
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Congratulations, Elizabeth, for hanging in there and succeeding royally. You’ve inspired an old goat like myself to keep on truckin’.
ReplyDeleteThe longest wait I experienced was back in the 90s. Five years between acceptance and publication, in Over My Dead Body.
Edward Lodi
Perfect irony in the zine title, Edward. Glad it remained metaphorical. ;)
ReplyDeleteCongratulations on your patience and many victories, Liz, both small and large. Your story and mine are so similar I have to wonder if we're related.
ReplyDeleteI started writing at age 10 and sold my first short story at 60. I had 370 rejections before selling my first novel, and left that publisher after the first sale.
My most recent sale to AHMM was accepted after 410 days. My best guess is that it will appear next May.
I currently have eleven other stories under submission at various markets, four of them at AHMM.
One thing I'd like to add to your observation about EQMM and AHMM. They both pay a writer ON ACCEPTANCE. They send the contract, you sign and return it, and the money's on the way. Many other magazines don't pay until the story appears in print. I have a story that was accepted in October of 2021 that has not been published yet. Right now, my best guess is that the story will appear about the same time as the story in Alfred, next may. And then I'll receive the money so I can finally pay for the new yacht.
Steve, we're definitely kindred spirits. As for waiting till publication for payment, every year you can show writing income is a year you can deduct expenses—and hope the gummint doesn't come back atcha sneering that it's just a hobby.
DeleteYikes! Thanks for this new information, Liz. I switched to writing primarily novels over 10 years ago, and had no idea the wait time was that long for the Dell magazines. I used to grumble at three months! So sympathizing with your publishing path. I've had my own "You won't believe this" publishing disasters. I think my fave was when the second printing of Crime Club (my 15th) book sank in a container that fell off a container ship off the coast of Vancouver. You can't write this stuff. Melodie
ReplyDeleteMel, I don't know how you could top (or sink lower than) the container story. EQMM takes much less time than AH but has become a tougher market for me than ten or fifteen years ago. I suspect I've changed and EQ hasn't.
ReplyDeleteGreat post about the "long haul." I respect your dedication. First novel at 64. Good for you.
ReplyDeleteI, too, decided in grade school that I was going to be w riter. Though I've had moderate sucess, I'm still, at 70, waiting for the "big break." I'm in it for the long haul.
Bob
At 86, my mother and I were having lunch in Sag Harbor when we spotted Betty Friedan, whom I'd just heard give a talk about her then new book, The Fountain of Age, about how women come into their own after 60. "How old is she?" my mom asked. "Seventy," I said. "Oh, 70!" my mother said dismissively. Bob, you've got plenty of time! :)
DeleteWriting for pay since age 19, almost 20 years now at age 38. My first few releases were for a couple e-publishers. Mostly have self-published through Amazon Kindle and ACX/Audible. Despite any rejections from mystery magazines and anthologies, quite a few have given me good feedback recently.
ReplyDeleteJustin, you'll be amazed at the unexpected twists and turns of the next 38 years. Enjoy them!
DeleteI've only ever submitted once to AHMM. It was a rejection that took about 15 months, so I won't submit there again. I decided life is too short to tie up one of my few completed stories for that long, even if they decided to publish the story. Maybe I feel this way because before I started trying to write fiction, I worked in medical transcription & before that in court reporting, which are both known for extremely short deadlines.
ReplyDeleteElizabeth, I either send to AHMM last in a line of submissions or send the story simultaneously to another one (or two, if there's time) very good markets that move more quickly, knowing that if I withdraw it, explaining it's been accepted elsewhere, AHMM won't have spent any time reading it. It'll say "Received" for those 14 months right in the online submission system.
DeleteWriters have to wait - for the editor to read it, for the editor to let you know (I have submitted a couple of stories to "The Strand" and NEVER HEARD BACK, so I quit submitting there), and for the check to arrive. Hopefully.
ReplyDeleteI wrote my first mystery story and got it accepted by AHMM in 1997 - I was 43 years old. A miracle! But before that I'd written my rear end for over 20 years. Lot of rejections. I was thinking of turning them into a wallpaper (different era). One story I wrote - "Zoo Story" - was written in 1980, and wasn't published until 1999 (AHMM).
Never give up.
So you keep doing it and hanging in there.
As I said, Eve, amazing how that gets easier as we get older. It's that wisdom stuff we get along with the wrinkles and the creaky knees.
DeleteCongratulations on so many things– 80 years of writing research, novels, and as an AHMM cover girl! Congrats, congrats.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Leigh. You're a peach!
DeleteI've had some luck with AHMM but none whatsoever with EQMM. I still remember all the rejections for my first novel, back in the early 1990s (and yes, SASEs). Back then it took at least a year for some editors to reply, and I suspect they wrote all their rejection letters on the same day, sent them out, and then went on vacation. Editors always seemed to be on vacation. I'm close to you in age so I too fell the press of time, but then I remember my mother lived to 91 and wrote up to her last year. Good post for us "experienced" writers.
ReplyDeleteOops. I'm not anonymous. I'm Susan Oleksiw.
DeleteNo quotation marks needed, Susan. Our experience is remarkable, and if we only had a second time around, we would kick ass much earlier in life than we did the first time!
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed reading about your bumpy journey to publishing success. So impressed by your tenacity and the confidence in yourself to be able to laugh about it. It sure looked like the universe had other plans for you until you set it straight. Long haul indeed. Funny you should mention Ruth Cavin. Talk about setbacks. Years ago before I’d published a book, I sent her my first novel manuscript and she was kind enough to write several pages of feedback. After taking her suggestions into account, I sent the revised ms to her, foolishly thinking she would accept it. She didn’t. It took me a year to get over the disappointment. Eventually I found a Canadian publisher and the novel was shortlisted by Crime Writers of Canada for best first novel.
ReplyDeleteThat's a great story, Sylvia. I was wondering if anyone these days had even heard of Ruth Cavin. She was way past extensive feedback by the time I got to her, though no one admitted it, and the company had great faith that she could still pick winners.
DeleteYou got guts! That's a career to take pride in.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Sax. It means a lot to hear that, and I do take pride, even though there's been no fame or fortune involved.
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